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Submitted by capdog on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 18:45 | Durban | |
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Take this particular group of wannabe-artists who are now posting their Durban vandalism on Flickr (link). They call themselves "fto" or "somz", or some other meaningless three-letter acronym crap. They are the ones who are making the city look like the inside of their heads - dirty, empty and ultimately seriously pathetic. Get a life, tossers. Nobody wants to see how useless you are with a can of spray paint. I would say save it for your bedroom walls, but your mommy would probably ground you for a month when she saw the mess. You think you're being all deep and revolutionary with your "art"; you think you're misunderstood members of society who just want to express yourselves with your "angsty" rubbish; well news flash assholes: there isn't a single person outside of your own little inbred clan who thinks what you're doing is remotely intelligent or interesting. Take this pic for example, posted to Flickr, with the caption "haven't painted in ages":  To which his mate replies underneath: "i like the drips!" Is that painting? Are you serious here or what? You see, I was under the impression that painting was what artists do with easels and canvas; not what stoned, underage, try-hard gangsters get up to when they're not tossing each other off. I've seen walls covered in mynah shit that look better than this.:  Umgeni BridgeGive it up. Losers. [ add new comment ] |
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woh capdog ! rabbid ? KLIKTRAK [ reply ] |
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It's a tribute to maddox, for sure... ;) [ reply ] |
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"desperately seeking meaningful overnight relationship.." I three-hundred percent and whole bleeding-heartedly agree! Something that has always really pissed me off that - the irony of the freedom to 'decorate' when in fact they obliterate!! Ha ha ... a lil' dramatic, but it's true. I can only hope that one day these inverted penised, hooded-villained, zit-covered lil' crayon dicks has enough money to afford himself a nice house and his kid's friends come along and do the same on his garage door! I recall doing an event at the Point Yacht Club and it was these rodents within the crowd that decided it would be 'ill' to spray the walls and even the manager's car !! That alone was enough for the manager to tell me 'never again!' And what a sick bloody venue! If they can't understand that they hamper the very scene that they congregate then they must die slow deaths in a puddle of rotten harbour vomit! Get a fucken identity you hopeless fucken toothpicks of society [ reply ] |
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Ah .. so Durban is doing its best to catch up to London! As much as I hate the sight of graffiti and if you've been to London, you know its EVERYWHERE ... I often gaze out the tube window and wonder about it. How the hell they got up there to do the deed (they seem to aim for the highest spots), and why don't they get caught (we apparently get photographed 4000 times a day in London with all the CCTV cameras around)and then the burning question: What motivates them to do this? Is there a psychologist out there who might like to venture an opinion? [ reply ] |
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There's graffiti and then there's graffiti. Some of it is really good, when it's done right. Unfortunately, most is puerile scratching, right up there with the shit-graffiti of Durban Central's holding cells. [ reply ] |
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Agreed. If someone wants to paint their own house with an awesome mural, I have no problems; but this stuff is garbage. I haven't seen the building you're talking about but will keep a look out. [ reply ] |
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Yah I have seen some awesome graffiti, especially in Spain, but if you have no talent rather piss off. If we want more tourism and higher standards then dyslexic stoner graffiti using the same wanker font is not the answer. I agree Capdog, their graffiti is very very poor. I think I could shit better graffiti after 2 mutton bunnies and 10 guinesses.. How about all chipping in, hiring a PI, tracking their identities, and then spraying their ballies cars and houses? [ reply ] |
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Would love to. I think the best way is to wait until they use a camera that saves it's serial number in the jpg picture file. Then you can do a trace of who bought the camera and link it to them! I've checked but none of the photos so far have serial numbers in the exif data. b.t.w. This is how they caught the guys who leaked the new Harry Potter book online. [ reply ] |
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"How about all chipping in, hiring a PI" how about all chipping in, and sending them to art school. if you're gonna tag your opinion, at least let us pause for about 3 seconds when we walk past it and question our environment for a moment. what really hacks me off is that these noobs will write their same dumb tag about 10 times on the same wall. don't get me wrong, I like good graffiti that makes bold statements, but I cant stand signatures that aren't on great artwork. numnuts [ reply ] |
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Are there any web forums that aren't driven by anger? see article on IOL Tech KLIKTRAK [ reply ] |
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I dunno, it's a bit of a generalisation. There are some forums I post on that are very heated all the time, and others that are 99% peaceful. For example, Ubuntu forums are for the most part awesome, but dbnalternative has some serious arguments and differences of opinion! [ reply ] |
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Its usually anger that makes people do things so why not??? I agree with trying to find em and break em as well cos some little shit who calls himself step has been spraying his shit all over the lower morningside area. I mean come on dudes, what kind??? You cannot escape your destiny. You must face Darth Vader again - Obi Wan Kenobi [ reply ] |
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oh my god that artical was the biggest load of crap i ever read ...to me it sounds like someone is a friend of the "real graffitti crew" 12 crew or wat ever stupidness they go. cause i looked at that site and you just took some of the crap photos and clam "wats this crap" wen there is a foto that would be considered art right next to it ....... i think you should quit writting untill you learn how to write facts. as a dbn artist i can say there are some others like "2kill" "opt" and that bunch of local town ppl "who look like hobos themselves and think they run the dbn hip hop scene ..... if maybe you where showing that crap copied straight from european graffiti artists and magazines and clam that they did it themselves. the way you go about using such immature language like "wankers, Get a life, tossers" and saying things like "I was under the impression that painting was what artists do with easels and canvas" shows you don't really have a high level of inelegance yourself, so if i was you, i would go back to school and redo your english ,and learn how to write an article.it is clear you don't know wat you are talking about. you are just venting your frustration that no one cares about. if this is not art how can a graffiti artist charge 3000 dollars for a small canvas with this "crap" you speak of. the only thing i would say is that 88% of graffiti artist are just illegal artist and everyone has forgotten wat graffiti is about and why it was started ....... graffiti these days is just a clam for fame like idols shows and crap like that ....... but yeah thank you for that laugh you crack me up with YOUR CRAP. [ reply ] |
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Well that's Capdog told. English as it are spake - artical and the piece de resistance, ladies and gentlefuckers - "quit writting untill you learn how to write facts" I ask you with tears in my ass. [ reply ] |
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Capdog, well done... I must applaud you, somehow in the end you managed to get some response from the shit you call "an article". I've wiped my arse with better words than that. Whoever would have thought the graffiti code was that easy to crack? Hahaha! By god you've got it! I've heard too many bitchy articles about graffiti like yours, and 99% of the time I couldn't care less to reply to them - main reason: whats the point? You'll never get it anyways, will you? I feel your pain bro... i really do, don't worry, fortunately for you(yet unfortunate for humanity) a huge population of people actually think like you... "stay between the lines! don't step over the line! don't ever question the line!" Here's a tip bro, spend a few hours ACTUALLY RESEARCHING WHAT YOU CLAIM TO KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT before attempting to comment on it and maybe you'd actually get some respect. later Oh, and hedmekanik stfu dude, you're missing the whole point of this thing... actually, was there a point? Oh and one other thing, who ever said taking photos of graffiti is illegal? LOL. Guess that just pisses right on your battery hey! HAHAHA.. pathetic!! [ reply ] |
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If you've heard so many bitchy articles but 99% of the time couldn't care less to reply...I guess something musta hit a nerve. Shame, bunny. [ reply ] |
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> Art rocks, murals rock, skate parks decorated with spray are pretty Are you actually serious? Think about your statement here, you're saying that if someone uses a little ink marker to write something on a council bin, then they deserve to die? In all honesty man, I don't think you are capable of weighing things up very well...and anyone with more than half a brain will say the same thing. Nice try at a good opening line, but thats not really gonna cut it... > ...or some other meaningless three-letter acronym crap. In otherwords, it's meaningless only because capdogg doesn't actually know what they mean. Moving on... > They are the ones who are making the city look like the inside of Nah, not really. The corporate advertising money hungry human scum would be to blame for that, because after all... graffiti only exists because of them. There's more to that story but I won't go into it now... if anyone's interested, look up the history of graffiti and how it came to be, then think about why it too has errupted in south africa. > Get a life, tossers. Nobody wants to see how useless you are with Ok, in all honesty I can see why you would say this. About 80% of kids who start graffiti these days are all lighties who are still in school and under mommies roof, but that 80% bunch of kids are after all... kids. It's a temporary fasion thing to them... "Hey, what can I do to be seen as cool for the next 3 months? I know, I'll be a ganster graffiti artist!". That is why most of the shit on the streets looks like shit, because it's done by confused amateurs. But this brings me to another point... who ever said these graffiti artists want YOU to see their stuff? > You think you're being all deep and revolutionary with your "art"; Erm, I suppose thats must be why CellC and a crapload of other huge corps are using graffiti in their campaigns to lure more suckers into their products... somehow, it's working for them. Graffiti is huge dude, it covers every country on this planet in all forms. In Germany alone there are aparently a few THOUSAND graffiti artists per major city. South Africa is very far behind, so "single person"... again, as was brought up earlier by Mr God himself, it helps to write about stuff you can ACTUALLY back up. > Is that painting? Are you serious here or what? You see, I was under Had your eye's checked mate? No, that clearly is not painting and I don't think he meant to say that it was "painting". Again, shows how much you know about what you are bitching about! > I've seen walls covered in mynah shit that look better than this I've seen shorter articles than your post that make more sense. Stop bringing our country down with your mindless minor bitching. [ reply ] |
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This one has actually managed to string an intelligible sentence together so I'm going to reply. Firstly, the definition of Graffiti: the illegal or unauthorized defacing of a building, wall or other edifice or object by painting or otherwise marking it with words, pictures or symbols. It has everything to do with the illegal defacing of public property. Vandalism. Common criminals. Therefore my opinion that graffiti "artists" deserve to go to prison is hardly a controversial viewpoint. Don't try lecture me about the history or applications of the style that graffiti "artists" use, because it's immaterial. If you really believe that some people should be allowed to deface other people's property because they're angry at "the man" (shame poor babies), then why not post your address here, so I can come round with a few barrels of tar and paint. I have something in mind that I think would look beautiful on your driveway, garage door and walls. [ reply ] |
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Well done man, you know how to use wikipedia & look up basic definitions. Yes true, graffiti definately DOES refer to an illegal activity... but that was not my point. You still are trying to convince people that the act of writing a little name which you can't understand on a council bin or whatever deserves the same fate as a rapist or murderer. I'm guessing you were never picked for class president am I right? In my opinion, I don't agree with people defacing someone else's property... such as your own personal property. What gives THEM the right to do that to you? Nothing, and I'm with you on that... that is wrong. However, lets take a freeway bridge for example. I suppose you could say your tax money payed for that... but remember, every year our "government" puts aside a shitload of cash to clean up graffiti/rubbish/...etc, and if there is nothing to clean up do you honestly think our government will put that money into another cause? I doubt that, they'd just buy another 5 BMW's and go on holiday. Another way to look at this. When you driving to work and you see a big graffiti piece on the freeway, your first thought is probably "BASTARDS!". Because, what the hell gave that graffiti artist the right to get in your face on the way to work? But yet, when another 500 huge corporate billboards pop up on the freeway you take to work you don't even blink. Why is that? What gave THEM the right to pollute your route with shitty advertising and crap imagery? Again, like I said I don't agree with someone defacing a person's private property, but as for government property... what finger have they ever lifted to help anyone personally? I take it you still haven't bothered reading up about the history of graffiti hey? Don't question the answer if you yourself haven't done the homework. [ reply ] |
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Oh boo hoo, the government does nothing for me, the big corporations are evil, "the man" is out to get us! Revolution! Anarchy! Let's scribble meaningless crap all over everything, that will show them! Yeah! High-five! [ reply ] |
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I will indulge you with an analogy: Let's pretend I'm an eccentric billionaire who happens to like the colour and texture of vomit. Green, brown, yellow, luminous and disgusting. I like it so much, that I decide to pay an army of painters to cover every last piece of public surface with vivid pictures and images of puke. Over traffic lights, bridges, walls, everything (but not private property because you say it's wrong). I make a point of going over all graffiti and every tag in the whole city. I can do this because no bratty teenager can afford to buy more spraypaint than me (I'm a billionaire, remember?) Durban now looks like a giant cat just got sick all over it. Graffiti "artists", the public at large and pretty much everyone except me are disgusted. But what can they do? According to your logic, I am allowed to do this. Somewhere in your twisted argument, you advocate that public space should be a free-for-all where everyone's rights override everyone else's. Because the government never did anything for me. Screw them. Or something. Can you imagine how many corporations would then start spraying their logos and advertising over all public surfaces? Completely and utterly ridiculous. [ reply ] |
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Lol. Your post is pretty ironic, because this has already happened yet you haven't even opened your eyes and realised this yourself. Take your story and instead of talking about a certain billionaire painting puke all over the city because he can afford it, look at it this way. This has already happened... all around us. This city's huge money hungry corporations are actually the billionaire in your story and the color and texture of vomit you talk about are the adverts plastered on every pole and every rubbish bin. You can't walk 50m to the tea room these days without seeing that shit. > According to your logic, I am allowed to do this. According to your logic, you think anyone with money has the right to say something but the rest don't. Please. > Because the government never did anything for me. Screw them. Yeah. Or something. > Can you imagine how many corporations would then start spraying Refer to previous points I make in this post. > Completely and utterly ridiculous. I agree, this is like trying to convince a white person he's black. It ain't gonna happen. [ reply ] |
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No, it hasn't already happened. The shit on public surfaces is illegal advertising, like plastered posters, which is not big corporates. This is just as bad as graffiti. I am not arguing against freedom of speech, what I am saying is that one person's rights cannot override another's. Everyone has a right to clean public spaces, why exactly should a graffiti "artist's" right to express himself override everyone else's rights? And don't tell me "because the big evil corporates are doing it" because firstly, they're NOT doing that, and secondly it's just saying that two wrongs make a right. Or arguing that the best way to protest against murder is by going out and killing people. [ reply ] |
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OOPS UP SIDE YOUR HEAD [ reply ] |
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Nice one. These gangs remind me of little puppies pissing all over the furniture, trying to be hardcore by marking "their" territory. Then they try and justify it by blaming the establishment, calling it "art" and referring to "the history" of graffiti. As if that makes one single scrap of difference. It would be funny if it wasn't so lame. [ reply ] |
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Thing is, a lot of these skaapie scribblers have got this whole 'dispossessed' angle going down - 'I'm an inner-city kid, there's nothing stimulating going on, the billboards are invading my space, I've gotta rebel against the system'. Come right - the world is what you make it. Quit bitching and do something about it if you're so disposessed, punkenstein. Get a fuckin' job if you're so shit-hot. There are loads of graphic design appointments for those who can pull their finger out and produce a portfolio of acceptably-crafted work. [ reply ] |
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Keep telling yourself that these so called graffiti kids are jobless and skyf all day, shows how little you really know! Your boss could be a graffiti artist and you'd never know. These guys don't do it for public recognition at all, thats the thing. There are no real names and bank account numbers involved it it and they couldn't give a rock about what you personally think about them. Quit bitching about colorful lines and squiggles you don't understand and focus on this country's real issues - rape, poverty, murder...etc. It's pathetic when you hear people bitching about puny things there are FAR more important things to worry about! And it's even sadder that they don't understand that! [ reply ] |
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Trying to divert attention away from the topic of debate by saying that there are bigger crimes to worry about, is not exactly a winning strategy. The fact that graffiti "artists" post their vandalism on Flickr, and that they are here defending it, tells me that they DO give a rock what people think about them. [ reply ] |
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The point is, no-one is against art. As I said before if it is good, like I saw overseas in Spain, London etc, then no worries. It is a valid point about being huge all over the world. The problem is firstly that art is subjective, and secondly there is no consent with graffiti. Put it this way. What if my art was smashing up your car and filming it? Years ago some lighties got busted cause their art was breaking into people's houses and fucking them up. You would not be very happy if someone did that to you. But you think your idea of art, defacing property is fine. Personally I think if people are talented and really want to express themselves they find better outlets. You guys stick to bridges and walls not because of art but because you know you are crap and it fulfills your need to be "rebellious". You should rather do it in London and dodge the CCTV cameras, because here the cops have bigger fish to fry than some pre-pubescent tossers. I will concede that one of the graphics was good, but most of it was really really bad. Lastly, think about the consequences. Durban needs tourism. Tourism creates jobs. Employment leads to less crime. Making Durban look crap helps no-one. Especially yourselves. Your point about corporate billboards is valid, except for one thing. Like it or not, and I don't, they generate money and employment. What do you guys contribute? [ reply ] |
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With regards to advertising billboards, yes we would all prefer less of those, but the fact remains that somebody owns the structure that the billboard is on, and has given permission for it to be used as advertising. If the graffiti "artists" want to cover their own buildings with shitty tags, they have the right to do that. [ reply ] |
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So you're saying it's OK for some random company to place shitty advertising right in front of your eyes(on every second streetpole...etc) as long as they've paid for permission? Did they pay YOU for permission? Capdog, have a nice life dude. You're one sad and confused soul and I feel sorry for you. Seriously... I really do, I wish you the best of luck though. Peace. [ reply ] |
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The money they pay for advertising on public streetpoles is used by the council to improve and maintain the city, which makes my life better. So companies that advertise don't pay me directly, but I benefit nevertheless. I fail to see how graffiti benefits anyone except the selfish "artist". [ reply ] |
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