Dude, Dude, Dude... Let me tell you... and ask capdog if you want, I worked at the Pav and I organized a small concert at the Firkin on the roof top. I had sponsorship from SAB, The Daily News and BAT. The Pav would not allow me to put up posters there either, yet on the night, the whole management team were there boozing it up, like they had never been to a bar before. The effort I had to go through to make that evening happen was HUGE, but the hassle was not worth it. I agree times have changed, for example... Burn was then owned by Jamie, he allowed me to put up posters and flyers in his club 3 weeks in advance as long as he was on the VIP list, but the Pav would not let me advertise there. Not even flyers on the cars (bunch of assholes). Its give and take and things always evolve and nothing ever stays the same that is a fact. Give up the flyer and poster route, it's a waste of time. Put up in the venue you are playing and that is that. Build up an sms and e-mail database and the most powerful tool of all.... word of mouth. I am not trying to sound like a bitch, but I have 10 years experience of promoting the bands I play in and I can tell you now the poster and flyer route are a total waste of time. I agree there are very few people that give a shit about Durban bands, but its up to you to change there perceptions in a positive way. Example... I played in Sutherland a few years ago the scene was even worse then, the band had a chat to see what we could do to promote it. We came up with the idea of going to Westville Boys' rock club and talking to the guys at break time, with their teacher present, about our new EP that was coming out. Low and behold at our next gig 10 of them rocked up. For 2 reasons, firstly because we sat and spoke to these guys on a personal level at the school, and secondly when we were there we collected their details. And 8 of those guys still come to our gigs. I sms you about all our gigs am I right? Where did i get your number? At the battle of the bands! How many times have I received an sms from you for a gig... 0. You might not like my band, and never come to our shows, but I still make that effort to sms you. I really find most of your articles very interesting and a good read, but sometimes you complain too much about the scene, it's never going to change. Make it happen dude its up to you to change peoples mind about your band, and you can only do this buy being positive, stick to your guns,and finding innovative ways of promoting your band, And when some things fail, try a new approach.